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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:42 am
  

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I'd love to see the far right recognize him for the centrist he is behaving like......I remember a Doonsberry cartoon from the 80's where a staff member is screening calls for Ronny Ray-gun. Of course, Ronny won't accept calls from liberals, so the caller indentifies herself as a "moderate".......so they ask, "Oh, OK, what oil company do you work for???" :?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:37 am
  

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The label he uses on himself to avoid the yin-yang is 'progressive'.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:57 am
  

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Yeah Len, it's all a matter of degrees and how one configures the scale, so it can get confusing. One mans' "progressive" can simultaneously be anothers' "regressive"......... :?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:02 pm
  

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I think it is more show business or rebranding. Call yourself a progressive and you can avoid being called "liberal" or "socialist".

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:50 am
  

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A little bit louder and a little bit worse 8)


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:39 am
  

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To paraphrase a Star Trek episode, "Is there no truth in ..." advertising?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:39 pm
  

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ron, about the war question, perhaps poverty and desperation belong mentioned in that list as well.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:43 pm
  

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len wrote:
The best shot at ending slavery in this country was the public health option and that's the first thing Big O surrendered. I remain unimpressed and blaming the pressure from the Other Side is a cop out.


so the process we have would include [the president] being able to sign laws into effect at will?


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nortonkevin wrote:
....it was a part of the process that gets us closer to understanding the nature of change and pixie dust...... :idea:

I think we're ready for that pixie dust ...


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:05 pm
  

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I think we're long overdue for a healthy sprinkling.......but the way it works, this Pixie Dust, is that we have to make it ourselves. It's not something anyone or anything can give us. We give it to ourselves. :D


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:52 pm
  

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I think I'm starting to lean towards agreeing with the Mayans and George Carlin.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:43 pm
  

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so the process we have would include [the president] being able to sign laws into effect at will?


You are like an apologetic mother for a lazy child. You don't take that job for ego believing in your own press. You have to go in eyes open team ready to take on the tough jobs. Blaming it on Bush is like blaming the fire for the arson. Obama went into this as a Senator knowing full well what was coming. A more mature and experienced candidate knew better than to promise everyone anything to get elected. So let's get down to cases really. He has to be ready to propose and fight for legislation. He knew that even with a super majority he couldn't rely on bi-partisanship. He knew about the blue Democrats. He knew health care at those costs was a no sale after the bank bailouts. If he didn't, he's incompetent as a Senator regardless of how pleasant, how good looking, or how good a speaker.

What the speech he gave and the budget proposal have done is to outline the hard choices ahead of us. That may prove to be the best move he's made because it puts the choices back on Congress. For example, Shelby and Griffith have to come back to North Alabama and explain why they either sign away Constellation or accept cuts in the MIC. Either way, they have to disappoint some of their well-heeled supporters here who depend on those programs. For slimeballs who are accustomed to getting what they want no questions asked, that will be a rude awakening. I expect similar things to happen in other well-heeled districts used to sucking Federal teat.

We may be looking at a shattering of gestalts not like the early sixties but more like the early seventies. One of the most dangerous times there is is when people's world views begin to snap, when the creeping realization they've been fooled by their own willingness to be fooled comes around. They take umbrage, they go into denial, then they get angry, then they get numb, then they begin to feel their toes, rub their feet, get up and head out.

Time for black coffee and then we talk about where we go next. We can't stay here. We can't afford the rent.

So space or war? Empire or home renovation?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:33 am
  

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len wrote:
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so the process we have would include [the president] being able to sign laws into effect at will?


You are like an apologetic mother for a lazy child.


i am not apologizing for anyone.

seems you felt the need to try and beat me into submission


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:38 pm
  

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len wrote:
We may be looking at a shattering of gestalts not like the early sixties but more like the early seventies.


Oh, Gods and Goddesses! You're not saying ..... gasp! choke! gulp!!!!! Mullets are going to make a comeback?!!?!! The horror! The horror!!!! Noooooo!!!!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:29 pm
  

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Captain Zap wrote:
Got this from MoveOn.org the other day. It's worth a shot:


Yesterday, the Supreme Court announced a disastrous rollback of campaign finance laws. Their 5-4 decision gives corporations free rein to spend unlimited amounts of money on elections.

It's a horrible decision. But we can undo some of the damage if Congress passes public financing of elections, which would give progressives and populists who don't have industry backing the ability to compete.

I just signed a petition urging Congress to pass public financing of elections quickly--can you join me at the link below?

http://pol.moveon.org/fairelectionsnow/ ... =confemail


Allowing (encouraging) corporations to purchase elections is the death knell of democracy; although, we really don't have one. "..and to the Republic, for which it stands..." is the real form of government that we endure, meaning that there is one class of people who decide what is good for the rest of us. This is why one party - guess which one - feels it can bring government to a halt while trying to dictate who gets what, as in, they get everything and you get nothing. Their overt support of no oversight, no controls, and clear attempts at social engineering have put us into this mess in which our lives are controlled by banks, insurance companies, and Wall Street. This and all other spineless Congress(es) have not really had the courage to address the most fundamental problems we face and make wholesale changes in the country. So many people who are undereducated, under-informed, and over-opinionated wrongly focus on that which is convenient and then give free passes to the real culprits who cause their misery and upset. Where are the crowds picketing insurance vultures, banks that won't lend to anyone other than each other, and the Wall Street/corporate cabal that gives itself huge bonuses for failure? Not so easy to complain about an entire industry and not about one person who hasn't caused their misery? Suggestion: read newspapers beyond the comics and horoscopes and then act to rein in these snakes. Public financing of all elections is the first step in a march toward genuine democracy. Public-provided healthcare - a single-payer system - should be the second step that will end the stranglehold on every citizen held by insurance companies. How Arlo Guthrie could align himself with corporate weasels is a complete conundrum. His father saw them as evil.


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