I believe that bin Laden said this, "If they would have listened to us, we would not have had to fly planes into their buildings." One Country's terrorist, is another Country's Freedom Fighter. Not that I condone them, though I respect them more than US going over the United Nations Security Council, and breaking a Treaty we signed with the rest of the World.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvrNYHTvG5U&feature=player_embedded

This is nice.

As far as simian genes or Gene Simians (whatever), I just hope that our bonobo-related genes do eventually win out. It would take giving up the virtually worldwide male domination of our societies, but I think that if the men of the world knew what the payoff would be, they'd throw down their 'swords' immediately.

Thanks, Len--try this site instead.

Bonobo Conservation Initiative

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/09/02/shalit.infidelity/index.html?hpt=C2

Can't follow your link, C. The firewall blocks it.

Len, see my first post--that url wasn't playing nicely, so i redirected to one that should work better. Thanks for the heads-up!

What does this have to do with anything?It is a bunch of words with little relevance to anything. Are you saying god's will is spiritual cancer?




Faith in what? Faith in goodness? What is the relevance? What are you trying to say? Why would faith cause a ladies group at a church to give clothes to a family? Why wouldn't they just give cloths to a family because they needed them? Really, I am just trying to understand what this means and how it is relevant to a bunch of religious fanatics flying planes into towers and blowing a bunch of people away that ends up starting a war that kills 100,000's of people. Maybe I am slow but it is not connecting for me.

So Sarah Palin isn't really a Bonobo or she lives in the wild? Oh, right. Alaska.



So the deal is if we men give all our money to our wives we'll have more sex?

Can I get that in writing?



Well, that supports Heraclitus's position. Now I know what you meant about the 2% difference you mentioned in GB, C. I thought it was about intelligence.



So Bonobos have tailgating parties. I'll bring more food next time I come to Great Barrington. Apparently I didn't understand the ritual.



Heck, I can stay here in Alabama for that deal, mad'm. The only difference is we have NASCAR on cable.



Once again, I fit right in. Still singing first tenor.



Bullwinkle and I will have to talk.



Eeeyurp! I'll just have to watch. Do they have cable? I don't think I am intelligent enough to be a bonobo. Back to the races!

I am really trying here, I am reading this and trying to understand. I am not assaulting religion. I am expressing my religion. In my religion, there is no need for a god. Gods are dangerous and harmfull from my observations and I don't want to be associated with gods. I have faith, strong faith, that this is so. In my religion I see gods separating and destroying and I would like to express my dissatisfaction with this circumstance.
I would hope all could be well but these religious people around me keep blowing people up and starting wars.
Funny, it seems religion has been a more prominent than non religion. I am unfamiliar with these societies you speak of?



I am not attacking "belief". If all the believers would stop killing each other in the name of god then I would not mention a thing. If all the believers would stop imposing their will on the way I and others live then the world would be a better place. What separates you from me? You express your beliefs and I am expected to just accept them even though I find them dangerous and divisive.

Who is calling whose baby ugly?

that is an interesting concept. i hope i have not taken outlandish liberties with the word religion...i try to speak what i know out of my experiences...i hope i am understood...i think i am sometimes.

when i say that i do not subscribe to this religion (the most prevalent where i am) or that, (because of my experiences and what i see) i am often automatically assumed to be horrible or in some way less than....unable to be any good at all. that is just weird

people of belief often assume i am missing something in life...i am not... i don't have issues about who or what i am and i don't need promises of afterlife and paradise...it is not a mystery

Are you expecting Christians to do what they say they do? Good luck with that one.

I didn't say nuthin' 'bout no baby.

I thought I was describing what I believe and know. If someone else doesn't believe the same, that's alright. As to what I know, that's a mystery to anyone else but me.

Tonight I'm learning GABRIEL'S MOTHER'S HIGHWAY BALLAD #16 BLUES from my favorite teacher about such things.

Peace.

A great and challenging piece to learn!!!

I thought I was just saying I can't understand what you are saying. You just kind of wandered off on tangents about faith and ugly babies?

That is a lovely song by the way and I like to dream about things myself. I sing all kind of gospel songs. I have no grudge against Jesus and I have no grudge against Mohammad for all I know. Those are just stories. In those stories, Jesus is tolerant and inclusive. He does not damn people for being different. Other people had to come along later and do that for him. I am not opposed to spiritual dreaming about a human race and a planet that is full of peace and love and happiness. You know, it is the old, if Jesus were alive to day, would he be christian? (In my religion he would absolutely reject christianity and god worshiping in general and the leaders of the worlds religions today would damn him and crucify him for it.) He is not alive. He is like a comic book hero and he has been redefined by so many sequels that it has all become a meaningless ringing in the ears like gunfire and explosives. All you get that puts Jesus in the real perspective are Gospel songs, and that is good enough for me!

It is. It comes from the time when all the folk singers were impressing each other with classy chops. After moving on to the rock scene, I didn't come back to this one until now.

I probably won't get it note for note. Chords and feel will be enough.



You said what you want to say. Me too. Conversation doesn't always lead to understanding. I consider explaining the behaviors of Christians as a class about the same way blacks feel about explaining behaviors of blacks as a class.