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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:34 am
  

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQKyYmU2tPg

Athrongaeus, a Northern pretender
A shepherd in a band of brigands
Roaming the land and terrifying
The imperial guard and those
with possessions of value
Near Emmaus they hurled spears
Striking Arius and forty of the centurian
And then along came Gratus
yet the redistribution of wealth remained
'til finally Archelaus, Gratus and Ptolemy
removed the pretentious crown and
Ended their brigandage of all Judea

Robin Hood, during the time of Jesus' youth in the land he called home
as chronicled by Josephus


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:39 am
  

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heraclitis wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQKyYmU2tPg

Athrongaeus, a Northern pretender
A shepherd in a band of brigands
Roaming the land and terrifying
The imperial guard and those
with possessions of value
Near Emmaus they hurled spears
Striking Arius and forty of the centurian
And then along came Gratus
yet the redistribution of wealth remained
'til finally Archelaus, Gratus and Ptolemy
removed the pretentious crown and
Ended their brigandage of all Judea

Robin Hood, during the time of Jesus' youth in the land he called home
as chronicled by Josephus


i don't know....there is a struggle for balance i guess.

i really like that electronic poem, and i appreciate your writings as well.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:50 am
  

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agnes wrote:
heraclitis wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQKyYmU2tPg

Athrongaeus, a Northern pretender
A shepherd in a band of brigands
Roaming the land and terrifying
The imperial guard and those
with possessions of value
Near Emmaus they hurled spears
Striking Arius and forty of the centurian
And then along came Gratus
yet the redistribution of wealth remained
'til finally Archelaus, Gratus and Ptolemy
removed the pretentious crown and
Ended their brigandage of all Judea

Robin Hood, during the time of Jesus' youth in the land he called home
as chronicled by Josephus


i don't know....there is a struggle for balance i guess.

i really like that electronic poem, and i appreciate your writings as well.


I didn't really write it, Josephus did as did Luke write what Jesus said (about Archelaus?)

The Parable of the Ten Minas

11 As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately. 12 He said therefore, “A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return. 13 Calling ten of his servants,[a] he gave them ten minas,[b] and said to them, ‘Engage in business until I come.’ 14 But his citizens hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We do not want this man to reign over us.’ 15 When he returned, having received the kingdom, he ordered these servants to whom he had given the money to be called to him, that he might know what they had gained by doing business. 16 The first came before him, saying, ‘Lord, your mina has made ten minas more.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant![c] Because you have been faithful in a very little, you shall have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Lord, your mina has made five minas.’ 19 And he said to him, ‘And you are to be over five cities.’ 20 Then another came, saying, ‘Lord, here is your mina, which I kept laid away in a handkerchief; 21 for I was afraid of you, because you are a severe man. You take what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 He said to him, ‘I will condemn you with your own words, you wicked servant! You knew that I was a severe man, taking what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, and at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’ 24 And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to the one who has the ten minas.’ 25 And they said to him, ‘Lord, he has ten minas!’ 26 ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”


Note the line:

"‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away."

I am telling you I can name at least 13 card carrying members of the communist party who walked the roads of Galilee and Judea 2000 years ago spreading sedition and generally revolutionizing ever'where they went!

(Remember the Fig Tree)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qhYmhW5s8o


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 Post subject: Re: Dead Roads
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:59 am
  

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heraclitis wrote:
I didn't really write it, Josephus did as did Luke write what Jesus said (about Archelaus?)


yeah i know, i mean it is the first i read about that particular story, that i know of, but it looked like you put it in a nutshell? like you summed it up? that's what i meant.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:54 pm
  

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heraclitis wrote:
agnes wrote:
heraclitis wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQKyYmU2tPg

Athrongaeus, a Northern pretender
A shepherd in a band of brigands
Roaming the land and terrifying
The imperial guard and those
with possessions of value
Near Emmaus they hurled spears
Striking Arius and forty of the centurian
And then along came Gratus
yet the redistribution of wealth remained
'til finally Archelaus, Gratus and Ptolemy
removed the pretentious crown and
Ended their brigandage of all Judea

Robin Hood, during the time of Jesus' youth in the land he called home
as chronicled by Josephus


i don't know....there is a struggle for balance i guess.

i really like that electronic poem, and i appreciate your writings as well.


I didn't really write it, Josephus did as did Luke write what Jesus said (about Archelaus?)

The Parable of the Ten Minas

11 As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately. 12 He said therefore, “A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return. 13 Calling ten of his servants,[a] he gave them ten minas,[b] and said to them, ‘Engage in business until I come.’ 14 But his citizens hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We do not want this man to reign over us.’ 15 When he returned, having received the kingdom, he ordered these servants to whom he had given the money to be called to him, that he might know what they had gained by doing business. 16 The first came before him, saying, ‘Lord, your mina has made ten minas more.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant![c] Because you have been faithful in a very little, you shall have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Lord, your mina has made five minas.’ 19 And he said to him, ‘And you are to be over five cities.’ 20 Then another came, saying, ‘Lord, here is your mina, which I kept laid away in a handkerchief; 21 for I was afraid of you, because you are a severe man. You take what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 He said to him, ‘I will condemn you with your own words, you wicked servant! You knew that I was a severe man, taking what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, and at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’ 24 And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to the one who has the ten minas.’ 25 And they said to him, ‘Lord, he has ten minas!’ 26 ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”


Note the line:

"‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away."

I am telling you I can name at least 13 card carrying members of the communist party who walked the roads of Galilee and Judea 2000 years ago spreading sedition and generally revolutionizing ever'where they went!

(Remember the Fig Tree)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qhYmhW5s8o


heraclitis wrote:
I didn't really write it, Josephus did as did Luke write what Jesus said (about Archelaus?)


i really don't know who he was talking about there (who the "nobleman" referred to in the parable is), but that is an interesting thought, an interesting question.


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 Post subject: Re: Dead Roads
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:45 pm
  

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musical interlude

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvOmTMQqY34

(this bunch does a great version of Merle Haggard's The Running Kind...REALLY!

just because

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQK6Ds_tPpE


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:24 am
  

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agnes wrote:
heraclitis wrote:
I didn't really write it, Josephus did as did Luke write what Jesus said (about Archelaus?)


i really don't know who he was talking about there (who the "nobleman" referred to in the parable is), but that is an interesting thought, an interesting question.


Well, after Herod the Great died Archelaus went off to Rome
To petition Cesar (God Almighty) for the land HEROD left behind
A group of "citizens" followed and in God's Hall (the Temple to Apollo)
They petitioned God (the new Augustus Ceaser)
to liberate them from the "appalling slavery of Archelaus, the son
of the cruel and wicked tyrant Herod the Great"
who had executed vast numbers and left survivors
who envied the dead, for he pillaged whole cities
and shed Jewish blood, to adorn cities of other races
A faux prosperity on the backs of peasants to gratify foreigners
Herod's Greatness had reduced his people to poverty
and utter lawlessness, and so they accused Archelaus
The sole successor to such greatness
of continuing the tyranny of his father
So the Son of God, Ceaser Augustus,
Divided the Kingdom between the three sons
Herod Antipas who would behead the Baptist
Philip in the land of the pagans
and Archelaus in Judea, where he returned
to Jerusalem to deal with his accusers

Again, according to Josephus
Archelaus journeyed to Rome to seek his kingdom
and returned a pissed off failure in the time
of the missing years

It is odd that when Jesus becomes a communist
things make sense


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:20 am
  

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heraclitis wrote:
agnes wrote:
heraclitis wrote:
I didn't really write it, Josephus did as did Luke write what Jesus said (about Archelaus?)


i really don't know who he was talking about there (who the "nobleman" referred to in the parable is), but that is an interesting thought, an interesting question.


Well, after Herod the Great died Archelaus went off to Rome
To petition Cesar (God Almighty) for the land HEROD left behind
A group of "citizens" followed and in God's Hall (the Temple to Apollo)
They petitioned God (the new Augustus Ceaser)
to liberate them from the "appalling slavery of Archelaus, the son
of the cruel and wicked tyrant Herod the Great"
who had executed vast numbers and left survivors
who envied the dead, for he pillaged whole cities
and shed Jewish blood, to adorn cities of other races
A faux prosperity on the backs of peasants to gratify foreigners
Herod's Greatness had reduced his people to poverty
and utter lawlessness, and so they accused Archelaus
The sole successor to such greatness
of continuing the tyranny of his father
So the Son of God, Ceaser Augustus,
Divided the Kingdom between the three sons
Herod Antipas who would behead the Baptist
Philip in the land of the pagans
and Archelaus in Judea, where he returned
to Jerusalem to deal with his accusers

Again, according to Josephus
Archelaus journeyed to Rome to seek his kingdom
and returned a pissed off failure in the time
of the missing years

It is odd that when Jesus becomes a communist
things make sense


i can see how that guy archelaus could come to mind

strangely (?) i was reading a little about this over the weekend, not a whole lot, but it looks like many teach or have taught that the "nobleman" referred to in the parable is supposed to represent jesus (?)


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:03 pm
  

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agnes wrote:
heraclitis wrote:
Well, after Herod the Great died Archelaus went off to Rome
To petition Cesar (God Almighty) for the land HEROD left behind
A group of "citizens" followed and in God's Hall (the Temple to Apollo)
They petitioned God (the new Augustus Ceaser)
to liberate them from the "appalling slavery of Archelaus, the son
of the cruel and wicked tyrant Herod the Great"
who had executed vast numbers and left survivors
who envied the dead, for he pillaged whole cities
and shed Jewish blood, to adorn cities of other races
A faux prosperity on the backs of peasants to gratify foreigners
Herod's Greatness had reduced his people to poverty
and utter lawlessness, and so they accused Archelaus
The sole successor to such greatness
of continuing the tyranny of his father
So the Son of God, Ceaser Augustus,
Divided the Kingdom between the three sons
Herod Antipas who would behead the Baptist
Philip in the land of the pagans
and Archelaus in Judea, where he returned
to Jerusalem to deal with his accusers

Again, according to Josephus
Archelaus journeyed to Rome to seek his kingdom
and returned a pissed off failure in the time
of the missing years

It is odd that when Jesus becomes a communist
things make sense


i can see how that guy archelaus could come to mind

strangely (?) i was reading a little about this over the weekend, not a whole lot, but it looks like many teach or have taught that the "nobleman" referred to in the parable is supposed to represent jesus (?)


Makes me think of both John C Calhoun and Karl Marx saying:
"‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away."

It is just a flip of the coin!

(although, I must admit, it is a stretch for me to apply that to Jesus as the nobleman, however, as an atheist I don't buy into the whole heaven, ghost and boogy man BS, so that could explain it)


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:47 pm
  

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heraclitis wrote:
agnes wrote:
heraclitis wrote:
Well, after Herod the Great died Archelaus went off to Rome
To petition Cesar (God Almighty) for the land HEROD left behind
A group of "citizens" followed and in God's Hall (the Temple to Apollo)
They petitioned God (the new Augustus Ceaser)
to liberate them from the "appalling slavery of Archelaus, the son
of the cruel and wicked tyrant Herod the Great"
who had executed vast numbers and left survivors
who envied the dead, for he pillaged whole cities
and shed Jewish blood, to adorn cities of other races
A faux prosperity on the backs of peasants to gratify foreigners
Herod's Greatness had reduced his people to poverty
and utter lawlessness, and so they accused Archelaus
The sole successor to such greatness
of continuing the tyranny of his father
So the Son of God, Ceaser Augustus,
Divided the Kingdom between the three sons
Herod Antipas who would behead the Baptist
Philip in the land of the pagans
and Archelaus in Judea, where he returned
to Jerusalem to deal with his accusers

Again, according to Josephus
Archelaus journeyed to Rome to seek his kingdom
and returned a pissed off failure in the time
of the missing years

It is odd that when Jesus becomes a communist
things make sense


i can see how that guy archelaus could come to mind

strangely (?) i was reading a little about this over the weekend, not a whole lot, but it looks like many teach or have taught that the "nobleman" referred to in the parable is supposed to represent jesus (?)


Makes me think of both John C Calhoun and Karl Marx saying:
"‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away."

It is just a flip of the coin!

(although, I must admit, it is a stretch for me to apply that to Jesus as the nobleman, however, as an atheist I don't buy into the whole heaven, ghost and boogy man BS, so that could explain it)


i understand what you mean, it did seem a bit puzzling to apply it to jesus somehow all a sudden?....along with all those little details in there you wonder about....along with so many other things everywhere in there i've had to just scratch my head and wonder.

it was within christian teachings that the nobleman was said to represent jesus. (from the stuff i read this weekend)

i did not remember hearing much about who the nobleman was supposed to represent, when i was growing up (could be something was said and i just don't remember), and the only thing i could find in books from then about the significance of the parable, was that it was to say, the kingdom to come is not yet. the other details in there i could not find any elaboration on. (i only still have a couple of books from then)

yeah, i look at it as a book of stories about humans and human ideas, whatever they might be.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:18 pm
  

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it is spring afterall


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agnes wrote:
heraclitis wrote:


it is spring afterall


just an FYI

this from wikipedia:

"Among the Hopi, Kokopelli carries unborn children on his back and distributes them to women; for this reason, young girls often fear him."


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:34 am
  

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Reality is just a figment of the imagination.

I think Jesus said that?

It seems he taught in the moment individualism and ultimately existential liberation.

Odd, Jesus as a communist existentialist and it makes sense.
I mean I don't see there to be any other interpretation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQSDcyGdJjU


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more ponderings while we ponder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DA2MKuI6fs


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:08 pm
  

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agnes wrote:
more ponderings while we ponder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DA2MKuI6fs


the meaning of life, got it right here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGGCvE6h_XA

mainly cause I could help it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG762vgBxHM


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