Thanks myland2.
Hey look at VT. And the other blood-shed here in the states since Oklahoma City. Anyone who says we have Peace in this Land, hasn't added it all up.

I'm waiting for the day of the end of Isaiah 23 and 24 where they will use the profits of the world for, (In my mind) those who need it, and throw the Kings of the earth in jail. To bad, that might be what it takes to have that big party in Isaiah 25.

How will that vail of Isaiah 25 be lifted? No one is going to come flying out of the sky.

Well, I figure they'll be so busy trying to figure out what to do with it they won't have time to fight.

myland... my guess is money... 'cause where power and goverments are concerned that's pretty much always the answer.... not money for our country, but money for the private contractors....from the oilfields to the 'reconstruction' to the weapons manufacturers... more war always equals
more money... for the already rich....

...i wish i wasn't so cynical....but i've seen too much for a long time....

Ok OK

You guys are showing a little too much passion and emotion here
Wars are to make people better off than they were before (if it helps you understand then wink wink nudge nudge)
Politics has come around to saying "help Jane, stop this Crazy thing"
There is no outright victory and we must save face (again)!

OK, there is going to be turmoil in Iraq. It don't f'n matter when we leave, today, tomorrow or ten thousand years from now, there is going to be turmoil in Iraq. But we can't leave an unfinished war??? The Vietnam syndrome. We must save face, why, because we are the GOOD AMERICANS. All of the hooeyy and rhetoric goes down the drain. (Can I hear an amen from the amen section).
To save face we gotta win (no more Vietnam syndrome). So, let's just say we won and pull out! Anybody asks we say we won! (Oh we won, what, didn't you read the paper, see the news? what?)

The trick is, next time we hear let's go to war, we need to say, Hold your horses bucko, have you thought this through, is this really the way to make people better off??? We are still feelin' a bit cheezy about the last war we won, so don't pull that stuff on me! Now, what exactly is (this is the next time we are talkin' about when the right wing blow hards are all bully up to the bar and shit) we say, now what exactly are we trying to accomplish here? Because last time we all said we won and now your telling me we didn't and we have to start all over again. What is up with that? We all agreed we won! Nothing left to be done! Now you say we didn't win? You not tellin' me you got a rain machine in the back of that wagon are you (this is the kind of question God says to have a shotgun in your hand when you ask it, just like John byGod Wayne would a done)? THen you say "Well we don't like your kind around here..............(wink wink, nudge nudge)

C'mon folks, lose the emotion and passion, and start saying we won so we can get the f out of there!!!!! Hey, we won, we are done! Ya they will have problems, but they will be better problems than they had before, why, because...we won! the bad problems are behind and the good problems are to come....(we need a snappy tune here like Happy Days are here again ba ba ba baba ba ba again)

If Bono shook Bush's hand, I guess I could too.

Your right PS!!!!!! Wasn't "Misson Acomplished!!" four years ago????
Who can ever forget that too big flight helmet and those too tight groin straps!!!


I'm with you kj.

you use vegemite like a spread on crackers or bread
and you don't have to shake any ones hand
because after all the troops are pulled out
then you can let everyone know that "we won"
(in a whisper)
is our dirty little secret

its all illusory, facts and realities don't have to match
it is generally understood within corporations
like sinning is evil
(in a whisper)
but it can be a lot of fun

wink wink nudge nudge

Perception is reality in this world, right? on that we all agree? If CEO's and Presidents are percieved to be leaders and worth their compensation then all is right with the world! reality is of secondary minor importance and only becomes siginificant as a factor when a new equilibrium is established.

An example, America has the best manufacturing know how and Germany the best engineering! This was reality until Japan changed the equilibrium and redefined these things, right!

see how it works!

or was it perception?

you see how it works

Well, when if I ever shake Bush's hand it will be with a Cowboy Hat and Steve Miller sun glasses saying, "I'm the real Space Cowboy, Steve only wrote the song."

I don't know what all the debate is about, after all, didn't our Commander in Cheese declare "Mission Accomplished" around 3 or 4 years ago?

You remember....on the aircraft carrier..........way out at sea...........3 miles off the California coast.........in his G.I Joe jumpsuit that he got at the Army-Navy store? Karl Rove thought up this stunt after seeing the movie "Indepedence Day" where the movie president got into his F-16 and battled the aliens.

two questions

1. how does he battle himself (he seems alien to me)?
2. Why are will still there?

Answer 1: George W. Bush.

Answer 2: Because George can't understand why he can't get different results by making the same mistakes over and over and over and over and over again.

Larry are you parroting me? or do great minds just think alike?

Larry wants a cracker......BAWKKKK!!!!!!!!!

maybe it was just a senior moment.