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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:45 am
  

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heraclitis wrote:
And don't forget, Jafo give god the power of veto, even line item veto, based on the first amendment.


I do? Where did I say that?

You believe it is OK to dictate the philosophy of a church. Churches must provide contraception or face a fine. Tell me, where is the "choice"?

You can ignore it all you want, BUT the first amendment exists and your tyrannical desires run afoul of it, not to mention the Religious Freedom Restoration Act signed by Bill Clinton.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:56 am
  

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heraclitis wrote:
And don't forget, Jafo give god the power of veto, even line item veto, based on the first amendment.


I do? Where did I say that?

You believe it is OK to dictate the philosophy of a church. Churches must provide contraception or face a fine. Tell me, where is the "choice"?

You can ignore it all you want, BUT the first amendment exists and your tyrannical desires run afoul of it, not to mention the Religious Freedom Restoration Act signed by Bill Clinton.


That is the basis of your argument:

Jafo says, If the catholic church does not like the law, the first amendment says they can ignore it!


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:57 am
  

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That is the basis of your argument:

Jafo says, If the catholic church does not like the law, the first amendment says they can ignore it!


My view is that you cannot pass a law forcing a religion to do something against its beliefs.. Apparently you believe you can.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:07 am
  

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Jafo wrote:
heraclitis wrote:
That is the basis of your argument:

Jafo says, If the catholic church does not like the law, the first amendment says they can ignore it!


My view is that you cannot pass a law forcing a religion to do something against its beliefs.. Apparently you believe you can.


I know, let's create a new Department in the Government. The Department of Ensuring Religious Freedom. Their task will be to ensure that no law is passed that forces some religion to do something against their beliefs!


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:09 am
  

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I know, let's create a new Department in the Government. The Department of Ensuring Religious Freedom. Their task will be to ensure that no law is passed that forces some religion to do something against their beliefs!

Why? We already have the Supreme Court..


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:27 am
  

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I know, let's create a new Department in the Government. The Department of Ensuring Religious Freedom. Their task will be to ensure that no law is passed that forces some religion to do something against their beliefs!

Why? We already have the Supreme Court..


OK, well go us it and shut the fuck up about catholics having special veto powers!


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:28 am
  

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OK, well go us it and shut the fuck up about catholics having special veto powers!

You're the only one talking about veto powers.. Sheesh..

See how quickly it goes from freedom of religion to freedom of speech (all in the same amendment too)? Now it isn't about religion, it is about "shut the fuck up".

Thanks for illustrating my point.


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The whole issue is a tangent to get the public's eyes off of the economy and wars, and future war with Iran.


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Arlo speaking Woody thoughts, like if we keep making all these laws, we will keep maken criminals, for nothing will be legal tomorrow.

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Jafo wrote:
heraclitis wrote:
That is the basis of your argument:

Jafo says, If the catholic church does not like the law, the first amendment says they can ignore it!


My view is that you cannot pass a law forcing a religion to do something against its beliefs.. Apparently you believe you can.


It's not just a belief. You can. You apparently haven't noticed the faith healing parents getting prosecuted for their children's deaths.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:00 pm
  

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It's not just a belief. You can. You apparently haven't noticed the faith healing parents getting prosecuted for their children's deaths.

Apparently you don't understand the difference between practicing your beliefs and harming OTHERS who are not able to make their own decisions, with your beliefs.

Apples and oranges.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:04 pm
  

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Jafo wrote:
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It's not just a belief. You can. You apparently haven't noticed the faith healing parents getting prosecuted for their children's deaths.

Apparently you don't understand the difference between practicing your beliefs and harming OTHERS who are not able to make their own decisions, with your beliefs.

Apples and oranges.


So, you just pick and choose the ones you like?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:09 pm
  

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So, you just pick and choose the ones you like?

Nowhere does it say you can use your religion to HARM people who cannot choose for themselves. But it is pretty clear in the Constitution that you cannot harm religion in the name of government.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:12 pm
  

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So, you just pick and choose the ones you like?

Nowhere does it say you can use your religion to HARM people who cannot choose for themselves. But it is pretty clear in the Constitution that you cannot harm religion in the name of government.


So blood for minor Jehovah's witnesses that need it?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:14 pm
  

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So blood for minor Jehovah's witnesses that need it?

Definitely, I would agree with that. However, your view is, blood for an adult Jehovah, whether he likes it or not..


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