Sure you're not thinking of Joan Baez, Shannon? Her relationship with Dylan was the famous one. Joni might have..I mean..she was a liberated woman and made it a point to get around as much as the guys did back then, but Joan and Bob were a famous item for a while.

some of joni's stuff i just love.
i remember the "hissing of summer lawns" album....me and a friend of mine (whose album it was) used to listen to it a lot, but it's been a while now...
some of my joni favorites to this day are:
"woodstock" (which i've mentioned before on another thread)
"ladies of the canyon"
"california" (i love that song...the first time i'd ever heard it was when a friend of mine was playing the guitar and singing it during art class...it was beautiful!...i asked what the name of the song was which she let me know along with the name of the person who wrote it (joni)...eventually played it (on the record) for me and that is how i came to know who joni mitchell is...
anyway...
"twisted" is another one i like (and also one i first heard from a friend (a different one this time) who was just singing it as we walked down the street...what a voice!)
"conversation"
"all i want"
...have you ever listened to the "court and spark" album? that's pretty jazzy i think (it also has the song "twisted" on it) and if you want, check out "miles of isles" which is a live album, just for the heck of it...

oh, and speaking of people liking people (shannonO) i think i read some place or heard someplace or something...that the "going to california" song by led zeppelin was written for/about joni...how about that <img src="http://www.arlo.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif" width=15 height=15>

Yup, I just heard 'Court and Spark', and loved it. So I'm gonna try and hunt down some of the other mid 70's titles, Blue, Hejira, Mingus, etx.

And yes, Robert Plant was so infatuated with Joni during Zepp's first visit to the US, that he wrote 'Going to California' about her.

"someone told me there's a girl out there, with love in her eyes and flowers, in her hair..."

yeah, pat. delicately as you put the possibility of a joni/bob -- uh -- liason i'm prety sure it's joan baez that shannon is thinking of.

i believe, shannon, that your allusion is perhaps to the song "diamonds and rust"? that's joan baez's, not joni mitchell's.

Joni had some fun too though. I believe she has dated both Graham Nash and Warren Beatty.

i wouldn't know for sure, one way or another. joni doesn't confide in me, and i can't say as i pay much attention to very many other people's private lives. maybe with close friends or family i'll know a bit about it, but that's pretty much it, and that's mostly because i can't really avoid knowing about it.
besides, back in those days, i had enough to do just with keeping track of my own love life. <img src="http://www.arlo.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif" width=15 height=15>

Oh goodness, don't I feel stupid?! Yes, I was thinking of Joan Baez, not Joni Mitchell. I feel so dumb! <img src="http://www.arlo.net/ubb/smilies/blush.gif" width=16 height=16> oy. lol.

Joni did "Both Sides Now" and "Big Yellow Taxi", right? I can't believe I did that...thank god I'm young and can blame it on lack of brain power =) If I were a boomer, I'd have no excuse at all! lol. (sigh)
But I thought it was "Diamonds in the Rough" not "Dimonds & Rust" that Baez, yes, lol, BAEZ sang about her liason w/Bob Dylan? Oh well, I shouldn't talk, we know my information has been badly filtered as it is...heehee. Still, doesn't it seem strange for ANYONE to have had a famous affair with Bob Dylan?
I mean yeah he's brilliant and a prophet and all that, but he doesn't have what I'd call a lilting voice, and he ain't handsome by ANY standards, lol. Oh well, intellect and gruffness, and extreme crankiness must be a really hot combination, eh? lol. Rock icon and all...<img src="http://www.arlo.net/ubb/smilies/pimp.gif" width=22 height=23>

shannon, if you were a boomer you could always blame it on incipient alzheimers, like we all do when we get something hopelessly mixed up. don't feel dumb. memory is nottoriously unreliable at best. and yes, joni did do 'big yellow taxi,' among many, many others.

btw, bob dylan and/or joan baez don't confide in me, either ... (not a particularly strange thing, granted, since they don't know me.) again, all i know is what's been unavoidable in the media. however, it's 'diamonds and rust,' i promise. if you do a search of baez's album titles, you'll find it easily enough. listen to the song again (and closely) sometime, too -- you might even like it a lot.

ah, the cruelty of what aging and serious illness do to a body ... or, more to the point, what they do to one's looks ...
then too, there's always the photographer to think of. ah, the cruelty of what some photographers can and will do to one's looks ... the camera may not lie (although i think it's a debatable point), but the photographer sure can.

i've never really understood why people make such a big deal over bob dylan's voice, though. unusual it definitely is, but that strikes me as having more to do with what he's doing musically with it, than with the vocal quality itself. maybe it's just me, but i think he's one of the most musical people i've ever heard. (i shouldn't say "i never understood" either. it took me until i was singing professionally myself, to hear what i hear in it now.) i learned an incredible amount about music from singing along to his albums -- i do know that much.

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Dylan was reasonably cute back then, but more to the point, he was riveting for lack of a better word. Not only does age do a lot, but I honestly don't think that looks, at least in conventional sense, were quite as important then. I'm not saying we achieved a state where they didn't matter - but they weren't the only thing.

That, and there's something about how looks don't seem to matter as much when you get to know someone well. You kind of stop noticing the surface so much, and see the inside more. But yeah, he was pretty cute back then, too. <img src="http://www.arlo.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif" width=15 height=15>

speaking of mixing people up (or at least, getting them mixed up with each other)...i'm sure i don't know how i could have ever gotten chris kattan and jimmy fallon mixed up...i like them both very much (easier to do now that i can tell them apart)...but there's hardly a similarity between them!
it's not like i can't see them...must be some sort of contextual thing...or maybe a dyslexic sorta thing (if you know what i mean)...or maybe a...
...then again with other people i haven't seen in years (like, as in you were kids the last time you'd seen each other, and now you're like, bigger?) i seem to be able to produce a mentally generated image adjustment thingy and know instantly who they are.
go figure...

Pat, you touched on a good point. I was a baby in the 60's, so I don't know how much looks mattered, but I suspect it was less.

I do know that we live in a society today that is SO vain it makes me ill. While we do talk about it with young girls, I think the expectations are unrealistic for boys too, and adults. In general, people worry too goddamn much about what other people think. Slimfast, Just for Men, plastic surgery, trendy clothes, make-up, blah blah blah. Too bad we don't worry as much about why potential mates are so effing shallow.

When I heard that they were considering altering out the little beer-belly that one of the firefighters in the statue had, I knew it had gone too far. Apparently it wasn't enough that he saved lives, he needs to have rock hard abs too. Shame on us for buying into the culture of image, brought to us by the wonderful folks on Madison Ave.

I think looks mattered, but in a different way. It wasn't about whether someone had six pack abs or could wear a size 0 -- it was more about whether their hair was long, their clothes were cool, and if they had personal magnetism and/or charisma. There may have been a wider range of physical features that were considered acceptable than there are now, though. And of course, what constituted "cool" was different.

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i think arlo was right..."norman always knew"
i remember as a kid when i'd visit the doctor's office, he happened to have norman rockwell paintings through-out...and in all of his paintings i recall that all the people looked like...people.