Just the opposite in fact. The vote straight down party lines was due to the crap stuffed in this package.

Rahm Emanuel once advised that crisis means opportunity, and the Democrats have taken that message to heart. They’ve exploited the sense of economic crisis in order to build a Trojan Horse stimulus bill that encompasses all of their legislative goals — and they’re trying to stampede people into supporting it out of panic. Hope and Change? More like Fear and Loathing.

What this does has nothing to do with stimulating the economy. Worse, it exponentially increases the difficulty in reforming entitlements, and Medicare already was the one program most in need of reform. It’s heading into insolvency even without the additional load of ten million new and unplanned subscribers in three weeks. Now, we will have even more subscribers to throw into the reform grinder, making it more painful than ever to effect the necessary changes to bring the program back into solvency.

And how do the Democrats plan to make this work? They want to kill the one part of the program that actually receives payments. Medicare Advantage is exactly the kind of public/private partnership that could rescue Medicare, where recipients buy supplemental coverage to make Medicare work for them better and extend the bargaining power to reduce costs at the same time. Democrats want to kill that program and force all MA patients back to the poor coverage Medicare alone provides.

This demonstrates what a disaster this stimulus bill is, and what a disaster Democratic rule in Washington will be over the next two years. It’s hard to believe one could credibly say this, but I long for the honesty of the Clintons.

It's gonna pass regardless, but note, by the way, how careful Republicans are being to blame the bill’s failure on the House, on Pelosi, on Rahm Emanuel (“Rahm hates us and lets us know it, and we hate him back”) — anyone but Obama. That’s a testament to The One’s approval ratings, but also evidence of how they’re maneuvering already to run on this in the midterms.

Ok, I'm ready for the debate, but not now, later, I gotta go. But let me start by saying, "Dave, you ignorant slut....."

Finally, some good news...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp ... 5#28938055

And you say that the Republicans don't know what they are doing? Look out!!!

A little bit of perspective...

Obama's stimulus plan = 2.5 days of the war in Iraq.

References?

cheryl wrote:
I don't feel the need to refute said hypocrisy. The man I want in office is in, and I'm glad. Not gonna get mad and argue with anyone about him.


Quote from dave:
All, see the above for the proper grown-up way to say Nyah, nyah, nyah, na na! As well as doing your dutiful obligation as a liberal to avoid any real issue.


PSBeaty wrote:
I'm with Cheryl!

Quote from dave:
The proper response when someone has already said the above. Let's see just how many we can get...

dave,
You started this thread pointing out something very petty. If you focus too much on petty things you risk becoming perceived as same.

It seems you enjoy stereotyping, and labeling and applying them illogically to anyone who you do not agree with. Not everyone can be neatly pigonholed in your rush limbaugh posterized, w & laura calender dream world way. (yeah we heard about them) Although I sense you find it pretty to think so. So dream away...


Let me speak to the above issue in more personal way...

Yesterday when the Air Force honor guard gave a neatly folded flag to my mother in-law on behalf of our president...I agreed with him.

This is our President. Our President.

Just like w was your president...

Take all the pride you want from this fact. All the pride you can. And this is a fact.

You believe cher was taunting you when in fact she was proclaiming her pride.

Which is also our pride, each and every one of us you label. All of us you so neatly pigonholed in your tiny w, rush, cheney... loving dream world.

Now is the time for all good men, and women, to shed their old, stained w underoos and put on their big boy pants, and come to the aid of their country.

Hey, maybe Dave could run for Prez next time. He'd get my vote. Yeah that was the good old days with Reagan I guess. My late Aunt & Uncle loved him. I have a cousin (their son) who was a hippie in the 60's & he's a conservative now. Conservative hippie, what a neat idea...

Cheryl Harrell wrote:
"Yeah that was the good old days with Reagan I guess."

Yes, that's what we need right now, Cheryl, a good old dose of trickle-down, supply-side Reaganomics with some union-busting added to the mix. Also, why don't we quadruple the national debt and throw in a scandal like Iran-Contra while we're at it!

No thanks; the country just repudiated "the good old days with Reagan", and the political tide has turned.


mikey

Well, there ya go, Dave. You'd get at least one vote.

Dave, I am sorry... it looks like we are all getting down on you.. I mean nothing personal. I'm with Kevin, please don't zap my account!
I am also with cheryl, psb (who is with cheryl),Larry, Ceashel, Zap, DRR, and a bunch of others. It sounds trivial, but perhaps "Hypocrisy " is too strong a word?
What is the issue here? He had the temperature up , but wants Americans to lower theirs? Just want to make sure, are you are looking for someone to refute over the statements on the temperature setting ? Is this a conspiracy ??

We are talking about the O rolling up his shirt sleeves, for God's sake. He always rolls up his shirt sleeves. His arms are long, he is a cool guy, down to earth, seriously intelligent. Yes, he is politician, too. But he has at least half the world behind him and his message is hope. He is saying, hey we ( together) can make an impact on this world.
You know, I have said this before (but not in such an eloquent way), David Axelrod doesn't take a shit that isn't within strategy.When he made the comments about the temperature level in the Oval Office, he may have even been doing a fake out, handling Rush, et.al. Hey let's see if they bite on the Orchid statement, that will keep them busy for a while while we can work on world peace while the pundits talk about orchids.

The "news feed" you are coming from is punditspindoctoridiocy!( Gus, I hope I spelled that right!!) we all heard the same NPR reports on Saturday morning. so Lets just chalk this one up to a couple of guys who are just getting used to thier new digs and don't know how to program the temperature control.

I respect you views, but I have come to admire the One, as you put it, and hey I need and want hope right now.

Last nite Mike had on the Super Bowl & I came in the room for a minute before going to take a nap. They were interviewing Obama on tv. He was sooo funny lol. I think he's got a humorous personality & I think he'd probably be a swell guy to meet & talk to. It's just I don't agree with him on alot of his political views. No offense Obama honey, I'm sure you'd be a swell guy to have a hamburger with or watch re-runs of Sanford & Son with. It's just I don't agree with ya politically. On the up side, at least Kerry is not in there...

RE-RUNS OF SANFORD AND SON?????

Cheryl, I thought you really didn't have political views...I thought you believe what people who describe themselves as conservative say you should believe (as long as it is approved by your mama). I am not being flip, I am serious, this is what you have said in the past! You don't really think about it! I mean, you even say it is OK to like Arlo because your preacher likes him!

I don't think it's okay to like Arlo just cuz the preacher likes him. Even if he didn't like him I'd still like him. My folks aren't into Arlo but that doesn't change my views of him. I figure different folks have different tastes I guess. My views are my own & if my mom or the preacher happen to agree with them well cool. If not well just a difference of opinion & I'd like them anyway.

Some how Sanford seemed like something he'd enjoy like I do since we were both around back then.

More vibes on the loss on your dad & prayers for the family...

I see our President more as the "Barney Miller" type.